From owner-qrp-l@Lehigh.EDU Thu Oct 24 17:41:21 1996 Received: from fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU (fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU [128.180.1.4]) by oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.6/8.7.1) with ESMTP id RAA09833 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 17:41:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Received-x: from fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU (fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU [128.180.1.4]) by oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.6/8.7.1) with ESMTP id RAA09833 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 17:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Lehigh.EDU ([127.0.0.1]) by fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu with SMTP id <35220-19850>; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 17:41:02 -0400 Received: from nss2.CC.Lehigh.EDU ([128.180.1.26]) by fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu with ESMTP id <35100-19084>; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 17:40:32 -0400 Received: from kitsune.swcp.com (kitsune.swcp.com [198.59.115.2]) by nss2.CC.Lehigh.EDU (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id RAA260968 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 17:40:21 -0400 Received: (from whalen@localhost) by kitsune.swcp.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id PAA02647; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 15:40:12 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 15:40:10 -0600 (MDT) Reply-To: whalen@swcp.com Sender: owner-qrp-l@Lehigh.EDU Precedence: bulk From: "Thomas J. Whalen" To: "Low Power Amateur Radio Discussion" Subject: Re: Tree Fishin' In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "Chris J. Cartwright - ELF" X-Cc: Low Power Amateur Radio Discussion X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO On Thu, 24 Oct 1996, Chris J. Cartwright - ELF wrote: > With the recent antenna inquiries I thought the following might be useful. > > I've seen the slingshot and fishing reel method written about or > mentioned several times and always thought, "Yeah, nice idea". Last > night I stopped by my local Sports Authority and picked up a wrist rocket > type sling shot, a Zebco 202 reel and some sinkers, total damages $13. > If I'd have known it were that inexspensive I'd have saved myself a lot > of time and frustration much, much sooner. > > If you haven't seen this setup it is the BEST thing short of a helicopter > for getting wires in trees. (I'm sure to take heat on that one) Takes a > little practice (very little) and easily gets over the 75' oaks out back. > Got dark on me last night before I got done "practicing" but I'll be back > there again tonight. > > P.S. Anyone know what the terminal velocity for the average acorn is? > Umm... no reason, just askin' > > 72 de N3XRV aka Lumpy :) > > -- Chris Cartwright N3XRV Gaithersburg, MD | dsc3cjc@imc220.med.navy.mil -- > -- EMPS QSOs=0 STATES(w/c)=0/0 DX=0 FOX=0 | QRP-L #655 QRP-ARCI #9271 -- > > >Hi Chris, I use the same setup and works pretty good. Just wondering if you put the 202 ahead of the slingshot or behind it? I have my 202 ahead of the slingshot. Thanks, Tom From owner-qrp-l@Lehigh.EDU Fri Oct 25 06:48:20 1996 Received: from fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU (fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU [128.180.1.4]) by oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.6/8.7.1) with ESMTP id GAA24752 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 06:48:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Received-x: from fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU (fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU [128.180.1.4]) by oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.6/8.7.1) with ESMTP id GAA24752 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 06:48:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Lehigh.EDU ([127.0.0.1]) by fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu with SMTP id <34955-21667>; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 06:48:01 -0400 Received: from nss2.CC.Lehigh.EDU ([128.180.1.26]) by fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu with ESMTP id <34902-18080>; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 06:47:18 -0400 Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.7]) by nss2.CC.Lehigh.EDU (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id GAA177295 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 06:47:12 -0400 Received: from den-co10-07.ix.netcom.com (v31ry@den-co10-07.ix.netcom.com [204.31.232.135]) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA03829; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 03:46:04 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19961025044608.110fba7c@popd.ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 03:46:04 -0700 Reply-To: v31ry@ix.netcom.com Sender: owner-qrp-l@Lehigh.EDU Precedence: bulk From: AE0Q / V31RY To: "Low Power Amateur Radio Discussion" Subject: Re: Tree Fishin' Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-To: whalen@swcp.com, qrp-l@Lehigh.EDU X-Sender: v31ry@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO >>Hi Chris, I use the same setup and works pretty good. Just wondering if >you put the 202 ahead of the slingshot or behind it? I have my 202 ahead >of the slingshot. Thanks, Tom > Hi from Glenn in Denver.. I use a Zebco 404 (15 lb line), and mount it on a broken rod that has a hole drilled vertically through the handle.. I got a longer bolt that holds the WristRocket together (hardware store), put a wingnut on it, and the rod/reel goes on the bottom of the slingshot.. The reel is ahead of the WristRocket, and on top of the rod.. I found I have to pay out about 40 feet of line on the ground to keep it from snapping when I launch the sinker.. it actually goes TOO far, usually over more than just the desired tree! I used it in a gale force wind to launch a 66ft vertical last weekend in Wyoming, used in the ARCI contest.. 73 -- Glenn --------------------------- Another month ends... All targets met, all systems working, all customers satisfied, all staff eager and enthusiastic. All pigs fed and ready to fly. AE0Q / V31RY ex: GM5BKC, ZB2WZ, SV0WY, WA0VPK v31ry@ix.netcom.com -- ARRL LM, QCWA LM, NCVA -- From owner-qrp-l@Lehigh.EDU Fri Oct 25 08:17:07 1996 Received: from fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU (fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU [128.180.1.4]) by oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.6/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA26850 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:17:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Received-x: from fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU (fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU [128.180.1.4]) by oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.6/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA26850 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:17:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Lehigh.EDU ([127.0.0.1]) by fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu with SMTP id <34853-21667>; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:16:12 -0400 Received: from nss2.CC.Lehigh.EDU ([128.180.1.26]) by fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu with ESMTP id <34830-18080>; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:15:12 -0400 Received: from imc220.med.navy.mil (imc200.med.navy.mil [131.158.50.200]) by nss2.CC.Lehigh.EDU (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id IAA97480 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:15:08 -0400 Received: by imc220.med.navy.mil (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA06729; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:08:04 +0500 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: dsc3cjc@imc220.med.navy.mil Sender: owner-qrp-l@Lehigh.EDU Precedence: bulk From: "Chris J. Cartwright - ELF" To: "Low Power Amateur Radio Discussion" Subject: Re: Tree Fishin' In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "Thomas J. Whalen" X-Cc: Low Power Amateur Radio Discussion X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO On Thu, 24 Oct 1996, Thomas J. Whalen wrote: > > I've seen the slingshot and fishing reel method written about or > > mentioned several times and always thought, "Yeah, nice idea". Last >Hi Chris, I use the same setup and works pretty good. Just wondering if > you put the 202 ahead of the slingshot or behind it? I have my 202 ahead > of the slingshot. Thanks, Tom Mine is mounted behind the slingshot on one of the "arms" that comes back for the wrist support. Right now I just have a piece of foam (to prevent slippage) and a few wire ties. A better attachment method is coming after a trip to the hardware store. Just remember to pull the line out in front of the slingshot and then through the "Y" before you fire it. Gets ugly otherwise. And no, you can't ask how I know that :) -- Chris Cartwright N3XRV Gaithersburg, MD | dsc3cjc@imc220.med.navy.mil -- -- EMPS QSOs=0 STATES(w/c)=0/0 DX=0 FOX=0 | QRP-L #655 QRP-ARCI #9271 -- From owner-qrp-l@Lehigh.EDU Fri Oct 25 08:23:50 1996 Received: from fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU (fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU [128.180.1.4]) by oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.6/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA27083 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:23:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Received-x: from fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU (fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU [128.180.1.4]) by oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.6/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA27083 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:23:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Lehigh.EDU ([127.0.0.1]) by fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu with SMTP id <34865-18080>; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:22:34 -0400 Received: from nss2.CC.Lehigh.EDU ([128.180.1.26]) by fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu with ESMTP id <34835-21667>; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:22:15 -0400 Received: from imc220.med.navy.mil (imc200.med.navy.mil [131.158.50.200]) by nss2.CC.Lehigh.EDU (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id IAA118907 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:22:04 -0400 Received: by imc220.med.navy.mil (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA07014; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:15:04 +0500 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: dsc3cjc@imc220.med.navy.mil Sender: owner-qrp-l@Lehigh.EDU Precedence: bulk From: "Chris J. Cartwright - ELF" To: "Low Power Amateur Radio Discussion" Subject: Re: Tree Fishin' In-Reply-To: <199610251057.GAA15643@smtp2.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: QRP Reflector X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO On Fri, 25 Oct 1996, bruce muscolino wrote: > At 01:34 PM 10/24/96 -0400, you wrote: > >I've seen the slingshot and fishing reel method written about or > >mentioned several times > > > laungh my wire up to the top of a couple of very tall trees. I have a cheap > old fishing rod with spinner reel bought especially to try and launch the > stealth wires more effectively, but I never used it. Also, what size > sinkers are you using? This looks like a Sunday afternoon project here (at Well I seem to be able to get about 75' out of a 1/2 oz and a little more out of a one oz, the 1/2 oz were cheaper so I've been using them. I'm using the closed face Zebco 202 style reel. I have a spinning real I could have used, but with the bailer, and line flying that close to hands/eyes/ears/nose I just didn't like the idea. Especially since the directions say that it fires things at up to 200 MPH! Dont' want to end up with "the mother of all rope burns" :) -- Chris Cartwright N3XRV Gaithersburg, MD | dsc3cjc@imc220.med.navy.mil -- -- EMPS QSOs=0 STATES(w/c)=0/0 DX=0 FOX=0 | QRP-L #655 QRP-ARCI #9271 -- From owner-qrp-l@Lehigh.EDU Fri Oct 25 09:11:01 1996 Received: from fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU (fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU [128.180.1.4]) by oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.6/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA01718 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 09:10:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Received-x: from fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU (fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU [128.180.1.4]) by oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.6/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA01718 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 09:10:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Lehigh.EDU ([127.0.0.1]) by fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu with SMTP id <34962-19362>; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:59:49 -0400 Received: from nss2.CC.Lehigh.EDU ([128.180.1.26]) by fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu with ESMTP id <34849-19362>; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:55:50 -0400 Received: from extdns.hc-sc.gc.ca (extdns.hwc.ca [198.103.172.99]) by nss2.CC.Lehigh.EDU (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id IAA63008 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:53:24 -0400 Received: from intdns.hwc.ca (intdns.hwc.ca [198.103.172.78]) by extdns.hc-sc.gc.ca (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA08572 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PMRA.HWC.CA (pmra.hwc.ca [142.4.78.33]) by intdns.hwc.ca (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA00940 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PMRA#u#ARLA-Message_Server by PMRA.HWC.CA with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:51:27 -0400 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:50:54 -0400 Reply-To: MKORCHINSKI@PMRA.HWC.CA Sender: owner-qrp-l@Lehigh.EDU Precedence: bulk From: Mark Korchinski To: "Low Power Amateur Radio Discussion" Subject: Re: tree fishing.... X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO Re: tree fishing.... True story about John VE5JQ (Millwatt DXCC #17). I preface this by noting that he is a Psychiatrist . About 10 years ago he was stringing up some antennas at a new house. Envision him standing on the roof and casting a line across some back-yard trees when his next door neighbour exits his house to take out the garbage and spots him. I still can't help but laugh at the sight. A classic ham moment. 73, Mark VA3ZU Received: from extdns.hc-sc.gc.ca (extdns.hc-sc.gc.ca [198.103.172.99]) by intdns.hwc.ca (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA29795 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU (fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU [128.180.1.4]) by extdns.hc-sc.gc.ca (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA07331 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Lehigh.EDU ([127.0.0.1]) by fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu with SMTP id <34830-19362>; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:15:42 -0400 Received: from nss2.CC.Lehigh.EDU ([128.180.1.26]) by fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu with ESMTP id <34830-18080>; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:15:12 -0400 Received: from imc220.med.navy.mil (imc200.med.navy.mil [131.158.50.200]) by nss2.CC.Lehigh.EDU (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id IAA97480 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:15:08 -0400 Received: by imc220.med.navy.mil (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA06729; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:08:04 +0500 Message-Id: Reply-To: dsc3cjc@imc220.med.navy.mil Sender: owner-qrp-l@Lehigh.EDU Precedence: bulk In-Reply-To: X-To: "Thomas J. Whalen" X-Cc: Low Power Amateur Radio Discussion X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:08:04 -0400 From: "Chris J. Cartwright - ELF" To: qrp-l@Lehigh.EDU Subject: Re: Tree Fishin' On Thu, 24 Oct 1996, Thomas J. Whalen wrote: > > I've seen the slingshot and fishing reel method written about or > > mentioned several times and always thought, "Yeah, nice idea". Last >Hi Chris, I use the same setup and works pretty good. Just wondering if > you put the 202 ahead of the slingshot or behind it? I have my 202 ahead > of the slingshot. Thanks, Tom Mine is mounted behind the slingshot on one of the "arms" that comes back for the wrist support. Right now I just have a piece of foam (to prevent slippage) and a few wire ties. A better attachment method is coming after a trip to the hardware store. Just remember to pull the line out in front of the slingshot and then through the "Y" before you fire it. Gets ugly otherwise. And no, you can't ask how I know that :) -- Chris Cartwright N3XRV Gaithersburg, MD | dsc3cjc@imc220.med.navy.mil -- -- EMPS QSOs=0 STATES(w/c)=0/0 DX=0 FOX=0 | QRP-L #655 QRP-ARCI #9271 -- From owner-qrp-l@Lehigh.EDU Fri Oct 25 13:10:49 1996 Received: from fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU (fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU [128.180.1.4]) by oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.6/8.7.1) with ESMTP id NAA24405 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 13:10:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Received-x: from fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU (fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU [128.180.1.4]) by oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.6/8.7.1) with ESMTP id NAA24405 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 13:10:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Lehigh.EDU ([127.0.0.1]) by fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu with SMTP id <34845-21667>; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 13:10:31 -0400 Received: from nss2.CC.Lehigh.EDU ([128.180.1.26]) by fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu with ESMTP id <34845-18080>; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 13:08:56 -0400 Received: from mtigwc01.worldnet.att.net (ns.worldnet.att.net [204.127.129.1]) by nss2.CC.Lehigh.EDU (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id NAA110227 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 13:08:46 -0400 Received: from LOCALNAME ([207.146.134.34]) by mtigwc01.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA62; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 17:08:12 +0000 Message-Id: <19961025170810.AAA62@LOCALNAME> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 17:08:12 +0000 Reply-To: SSLYON@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Sender: owner-qrp-l@Lehigh.EDU Precedence: bulk From: "Seabury Lyon, AA1MY" To: "Low Power Amateur Radio Discussion" Subject: SLINGSHOT/SINKER (Tree Fishin') Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-To: dsc3cjc@imc220.med.navy.mil, qrp-l@Lehigh.EDU X-Sender: SSLYON@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO Slingshot & sinker technique variations interest me as a practitioner with many years of experience. PRIME OBJECTIVE: MAXIMUM GAIN WITH MINIMUM PAIN. I've settled on "separates" for several reasons. Gear includes a slingshot, bottom half of a surf-casting rod w/spinning reel (loaded w/18 lb. mono.) and 3 and 4 oz. tear-drop sinkers painted day-glo. The larger sinkers get thru all kinds of trees, and have lower velocity, thus less line breakage. I strongly recommend planning ahead, lots of time, and an ASSISTANT, esp. if several supports are involved. (my 1350' loop has 7 supports) A 5-gallon dry-wall bucket carries tools/materials and serves as a launch holder for the surf rod. An emptied wire spool on dowel, w/short crank handle, is loaded with >400' of strong twine used as an "intermediate puller" for the support line. The dowel "axel" is long enuff to fit thru two holes melted thru the sides, (top) of the bucket, providing a holder while pulling intermedate line out with the mono-fil. I'm blessed with lots of tall trees and have found that by passing supports over the very top and down close to the trunk gives best reliability. The natural spring action of the small (within reason, of course) top branches provides needed tension relief. By floating all but one support (for loops) in plastic clothesline pulleys, tension is evenly distributed around the system. The one fixed support is to keep the feeder where it's wanted. Counter-weights are NOT needed for horizontal loops, and in my experience have caused frequent problems. ONE is needed in the case of non-loop single wires. In that case, by all means use a PVC pipe as a protective sleeve for the weight to slide up and down in. That, of course should be at the far end of the wire. 3/8" poly "Trucker rope" has proven economical and very reliable for supports. I've patched wire and poly together to provide rugged tho inconspicuous lines. Home Dopot sells black w/red tracer on a 600' spool for ~ $75.00. #14 THHN black stranded is my wire of choice. ($20/500' @ Home Depot) Where splices are needed, I use insulated crimp type butt-splices. Soldering splices results in stress fractures at abrupt solder/non-solder points on the joint, esp. if it goes back and forth thru a pulley. Careful crimp splices are reaiable and eliminate the need to solder out in the field. There is a knack for shooting sinkers reliably. Very ugly thumb-knuckles can result from encounters with full-drawn 3 and 4 oz. sinkers. Pay attention to the balance of the sinker in the sling. Remember to open the bail on open face spinning reels!! Don't re-wind the mono-fil under high tension. That causes a fatal twist in the line that complicates subsequent "casts". To guide wire around tree branches, etc., use the intermediate line, thrown over the wire. (w/sinker) Avoid "sawing" as it will part the line. Helpers greatly facilitate this process. Adjust the shape of the loop by adj. the length of support lines. More is better. That's all for now, folks. Gotta go put up the "Winter Loop" and "VEE". 73 =s= Seabury "Seab" Lyon AA1MY 44 Codfish Hill Road Bethel, CT, 06801, USA From owner-qrp-l@Lehigh.EDU Fri Oct 25 13:18:12 1996 Received: from fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU (fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU [128.180.1.4]) by oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.6/8.7.1) with ESMTP id NAA24939 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 13:18:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Received-x: from fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU (fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU [128.180.1.4]) by oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.6/8.7.1) with ESMTP id NAA24939 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 13:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Lehigh.EDU ([127.0.0.1]) by fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu with SMTP id <34875-21667>; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 13:17:51 -0400 Received: from nss2.CC.Lehigh.EDU ([128.180.1.26]) by fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu with ESMTP id <34835-19362>; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 13:17:03 -0400 Received: from kitsune.swcp.com (kitsune.swcp.com [198.59.115.2]) by nss2.CC.Lehigh.EDU (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id NAA97529 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 13:16:52 -0400 Received: (from whalen@localhost) by kitsune.swcp.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA06754; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 11:16:48 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 11:16:47 -0600 (MDT) Reply-To: whalen@swcp.com Sender: owner-qrp-l@Lehigh.EDU Precedence: bulk From: "Thomas J. Whalen" To: "Low Power Amateur Radio Discussion" Subject: Tree Fishin' MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Low Power Amateur Radio Discussion X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO Instead of the sling shot, sometimes I use just a hard ball with 1/8 inch nylon rope taped to it with duct tape. I give it big throw,or sometimes whip it around and turn it loose! If it gets hung up, you just give it a tug and the rope comes off the ball and both usually? come crashing down. Then you just retape and try again.Make sure you don't have an auto in the vicinity.Hard balls and auto hoods don't mix! My son showed me how that works when he threw the ball up into the air, he missed and the ball came right down on top of my hood on my new truck.Hurt pretty bad at the time because I only had made about my 3rd payment! Now all is forgiven because he ended up becoming a ham AB5DX, and my truck was stolen last month so .....thats life in the big city!!! " Happy Rails to you!" Tom WB5QYT QRP-L 640 From owner-qrp-l@Lehigh.EDU Mon Oct 28 12:02:50 1996 Received: from fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU (fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU [128.180.1.4]) by oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.6/8.7.1) with ESMTP id MAA00739 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 12:02:47 -0500 (EST) X-Received-x: from fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU (fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU [128.180.1.4]) by oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.6/8.7.1) with ESMTP id MAA00739 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 12:02:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from Lehigh.EDU ([127.0.0.1]) by fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu with SMTP id <34879-42440>; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 12:01:51 -0500 Received: from nss2.CC.Lehigh.EDU ([128.180.1.26]) by fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu with ESMTP id <34830-48073>; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 12:00:45 -0500 Received: from cbgw1.lucent.com (cbgw1.att.com [192.20.239.133]) by nss2.CC.Lehigh.EDU (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id MAA271772 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 12:00:38 -0500 Received: by cbig1.firewall.lucent.com (SMI-8.6/EMS-L sol2) id LAA28031; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 11:54:13 -0500 Message-Id: <199610281654.LAA28031@cbig1.firewall.lucent.com> Date: 28 Oct 96 11:57:00 -0500 Reply-To: mvjf@mvubr.mv.lucent.com Sender: owner-qrp-l@Lehigh.EDU Precedence: bulk From: mvjf@mvubr.mv.lucent.com (James M Fitton +1 508 960 2577) To: "Low Power Amateur Radio Discussion" Subject: Slingshot Content-Type: text X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO Additional tips for antenna slingshot users..... Dont mount the Zebco reel on anything. Hold it (carefully) between the knees, and point it toward the target. Caution .... Sinker and line go over the top, from the rear, and then into the pouch !!!! Use a weaker leader tied between the sinker and the rest of the line on the reel. The weaker test leader will break first when the sinker gets tangled way up in the branches. Paint sinkers with wild colors. Bring along extra sinkers and leaders. Folks will ask.... How in the devil did you get that wire so high in the tree ? Have an interesting answer..... 72/73 Jim Fitton, W1FMR NE-QRP <>< NH E-MAIL changed to jfitton@mv.lucent.com From owner-qrp-l@Lehigh.EDU Tue Oct 29 00:41:28 1996 Received: from fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU (fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU [128.180.1.4]) by oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.6/8.7.1) with ESMTP id AAA19567 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 00:41:27 -0500 (EST) X-Received-x: from fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU (fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU [128.180.1.4]) by oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.6/8.7.1) with ESMTP id AAA19567 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 00:41:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from Lehigh.EDU ([127.0.0.1]) by fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu with SMTP id <34907-18982>; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 00:40:46 -0500 Received: from nss2.CC.Lehigh.EDU ([128.180.1.26]) by fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu with ESMTP id <34834-33832>; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 00:39:07 -0500 Received: from abs.net (k3tks@u1.abs.net [207.114.0.130]) by nss2.CC.Lehigh.EDU (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id AAA92623 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 00:38:56 -0500 Received: from localhost (k3tks@localhost) by abs.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA03792 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 00:38:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 00:38:52 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: k3tks@u1.abs.net Sender: owner-qrp-l@Lehigh.EDU Precedence: bulk From: George Gingell To: "Low Power Amateur Radio Discussion" Subject: Re: Tree Fishing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: QRP List X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO I forget now who started this thread, but no matter, It is cloose to my heart. Antennas and Trees, I think God made them to go together. I am down to about three, No four and am just waiting for the weather to change. Way to nice to do antenna work right now :^) I have read a lot of good comments on here already. Many are right on Target. :^). I use both the Wrist Rocket, sinkers and Monofilament Line as well as the "Robin Hood" method. There are "DANGERS" involved with both to be sure. Some have been mentioned. All kidding aside, a hard hat and "Safety Glasses" are good habits to get into when using the "Tools of the Trade". I use some specialzed tools myself. I also have a Zebco 202 (Ithink) on a matching rod. One of those inexpensive outfits that we always buy the kids until we are sure that they are gooing too like the sport. (Fishin') I have an adaptter shaftt that allows it to be jammed intoo tthe ground soo I dont have to hold it. I do nott use the top secttion of the rod, just the bottom half and the reel. I use the cheapest 12-20 # test line tthat I can get. I generally use a 2 oz tear drop sinker. Warning, If you use anything heavier, be weary of backlash. The sinker will return too the launcher if tthe line snags! Ben there done that. (Hard hats are good :^)) Some times I Just use a 70 foot piece of 20-50 # test line laid out on the ground and fastened to a piece of 3/16 Dacron or Nylon line. These are used to pull up the permanent Haylards or in some cases to pull up my 5/8 poly rope for removal of dead wood in the tree. Anoother story. It is usually best to go with the moonofilament first and then tie on the heavier line. I also use the Boline knots a lot. I have also installed Pieces of Insulated # 6 ground wire Loops on some of my trees. Dont Make tthem permanently tight by twisting the ends or tthe tree will "Grow over tthem" (Done That). I bend the ends into loops and ttie the loops together with a shortt piece of dacron unttil I am ready to fasten the antenna haylards. I usually connect my big 5/8 rope to the end of the haylard with a doggie clip or a mountain climbing keeper til I get the antenna up then the end of the haylard is tied off at the #6 loops. The tension on the line pulls the #6 wire loops up at an angle and they grab the bark nicly. No damage to the trees and easily adjustable. I have never used a counter weight. My trees are mostly Hickory and Pin Oak about 65 feet tall. I have never had a problem with antenna breakage due to tree movement. There is a lot of give in both Nylon and Dacron Lines (Dacron is preferred). I used the 3/16 Nylon lines for years, but is deteriorates in about a year or ttwo at best due to UV from old Sol. I used it because tthe price was right at he time. Also I could pick up 50 and 100 lengths att my local grocery and camp stores. I now buy the Good Stuff (Dacron) from The Wire man, Davis RF or The RF Connection. I now use the Bow and Arrow method more than the Wrist Rocket. I feel that I have better control with it. in the beginning, I did not have any close neighbors, so it didn't matter much if I missed noow and then or if a "Sinker WENT WILD" a 2 OZ sinker can travel quite a distance if the line breaks. One quick reminder here. The reason for using CHEAP line is so that you can afford to throw it away after itt is used once or twice. PLEASE DON'T LEAVE IT in the FIELD! Always remember to bring a TRASH BAG for your scrap line,wire, tape, etc. When I use the BOW, I have SPECIAL Arrows for different areas. You can take the new aluminum arrows and make "BALL" ttips for them froom Rubber balls or "Top Flight- Golf Balls" with a screw into it. Yoou can always sharpen a brass rod, put it in the drill and drill it into the ball then get oout the tap and die set and tthread it to match the arrow. I also have a couple of "30-06" Arroow tips. That is a spent cartridge brass which has molten lead pured into it and then I insert the arrow shaft before it cools. You get an arrow that goes up nice and straight (Like a Bullet" :-)), and comes down very sharply as soon as it looses speed. The idea is to go thru the notch in the tree which you have selected and drop quickly to the ground. Don't you hate it when you make a "Perfect shot" on the first try, only to have the darn arrow continue on thru two more tree limbs. Then you spend two hours trying to get the line where you want it. Not so easy tto explain in words, but you will know what I mean after you do it a few times :^). Well, guys, there you have it. Danny's Secret Weapons for Antenna erection. Oh Yes, I almost forgot, Don't try tto use a Compound bow unless you are shooting for an overhead long wire. I once had a 500 foot long wire laying on top of the trees. I also lost a few arrows with that thing. Borrowed my sons Big BEAR. I found that a #25 long bow is best. I was given a nice OLd lemon wood by an O.T. years ago. I also have a Fiberglass KIDS training bow about 15-20 #. I used to keep that in the car. It is a good idea to get someone to show you how to do it if you can. I had to learn most of my methods the hard way :^) 72,73 es QRP DX TU (C) 1986 G.Danny Gingell, K3TKS@.abs.net Maryland Milliwatt QRP Reference Library, (301)572-6789 From owner-qrp-l@Lehigh.EDU Thu Oct 31 20:54:49 1996 Received: from fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU (fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU [128.180.1.4]) by oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.6/8.7.1) with ESMTP id UAA18890 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 20:54:48 -0500 (EST) X-Received-x: from fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU (fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU [128.180.1.4]) by oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.6/8.7.1) with ESMTP id UAA18890 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 20:54:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from Lehigh.EDU ([127.0.0.1]) by fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu with SMTP id <35177-28857>; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 20:53:01 -0500 Received: from nss2.CC.Lehigh.EDU ([128.180.1.26]) by fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu with ESMTP id <35170-50107>; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 20:52:38 -0500 Received: from emout20.mail.aol.com (emout20.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.46]) by nss2.CC.Lehigh.EDU (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id UAA234769 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 20:52:31 -0500 Received: by emout20.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA06094 for qrp-l@lehigh.edu; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 20:52:00 -0500 Message-Id: <961031205159_1214614123@emout20.mail.aol.com> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 20:52:00 -0500 Reply-To: BParkes@aol.com Sender: owner-qrp-l@Lehigh.EDU Precedence: bulk From: BParkes@aol.com To: "Low Power Amateur Radio Discussion" Subject: Tree Fishing X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO Howdy, I have been following all the discussions on tree fishing and have not heard of the way I do it. There are popping floats used for salt water fishing that have a foam float that pops when you pull it through the water. Has a wire running through it with a lead sinker and you can get them in different sizes. The lead helps you cast out past the breakers in the surf. Hook the float on the end of your fishing line and cast over the tree of your dreams. Even if it bounces off the roof of your neighbors house they most likely won't notice it since the foam doesn't make much noise when it hits. Since the float is bullet shaped, it will pass through most tree limbs without hanging up. It is best to do your tree fishing when your XYL is elsewhere, mine almost gave the game away by asking (loudly) "Why are you bouncing that float off the neighbors house?". Have not tried it with a slingshot, maybe next time. 73 Bruce KA2ZGW From owner-qrp-l@Lehigh.EDU Sat Nov 2 17:13:00 1996 Received: from fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU (fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU [128.180.1.4]) by oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.6/8.7.1) with ESMTP id RAA17789 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 17:12:59 -0500 (EST) X-Received-x: from fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU (fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU [128.180.1.4]) by oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.6/8.7.1) with ESMTP id RAA17789 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 17:12:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from Lehigh.EDU ([127.0.0.1]) by fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu with SMTP id <35402-19782>; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 17:12:43 -0500 Received: from nss2.CC.Lehigh.EDU ([128.180.1.26]) by fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu with ESMTP id <35368-23623>; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 17:11:46 -0500 Received: from current.barepower.net (root@current.barepower.net [206.151.134.2]) by nss2.CC.Lehigh.EDU (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id RAA240004 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 17:11:40 -0500 Received: from carreiro.barepower.net (pm01-09.barepower.net [206.151.134.109]) by current.barepower.net (8.7.5/Build 4) with SMTP id PAA31059 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 15:16:39 -0800 Message-Id: <199611022316.PAA31059@current.barepower.net> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 15:16:39 -0800 Reply-To: carreiro@current.BarePower.net Sender: owner-qrp-l@Lehigh.EDU Precedence: bulk From: "Paul F. Carreiro" To: "Low Power Amateur Radio Discussion" Subject: Re: TREE FISHING SCORE -2 (A Zuni Perspective) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-To: QRP-l@Lehigh.EDU X-Sender: carreiro@mail.barepower.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO At 08:18 PM 11/2/96 PST, Ernie, AA1IK wrote: > >My question is this: Do any of you get more than 50 feet of >elevation using a sling shot, if so, how? > >What kind of line do you use and how much weight. >My sling shot will shoot a .5 oz. weight 90 feet without >a line attached. I would really like to get the sling shot >method working because it is not always practical to use a >bow and arrow. Ok guys, I'm taking a big chance here. My fellow Zuni Loopers may not allow me back after I reveal the following secrets. Actually, all this (with a few exceptions) is published in the book referenced below, so I guess I'm on safe ground. Ernie, the answer to your question is YES, you can get more than 50 feet of elevation using a sling shot. At the Zuni Loop FD, our antennas top the 100 and sometimes 120 foot pines, all using the "Zuni-Loop, hand operated,elastic, anti-gravity device". (Ref: Low Power Communications Volume 2, Advanced QRP Operating, by Richard Arland, K7YHA, Page 74.) Here are the established Zuni requirements for one of these magical devices: Use a good quality wrist rocket slingshot (go to a sportsman store). An enclosed spinning real (Like a Zebco), the lower the vertical profile the better. (My personal choice is the Diawa "Jupiter 5 Model 20" reel. With a vertical height of only 2 3/4 inches, it's the best I've found. The price was right too at only $7.00!!) Attach the spinning real _in front and below_ the sling shot, close enough such that the bail release can be operated by a finger with hand still on the sling shot grip, yet low enough such that the sinker will not hit the reel. There have been a few interesting ideas on how to do this. I'll leave this a Zuni secret. :) (Here is where I may get into trouble with my fellow Zuni's as it's based on their 10+ years of trial and error.) Use 6 lb test, (stay away from cheap monofilament) fishing line that has been soaked overnight in water before the shoot. Use a 1 oz, oval sinker with eyelet on one end (common type), painted florescent orange (or other bright color of your choice). I'm going to try yellow/black next year. That is supposed to be the best eye catching combination. And besides, seems we are always able to pick out a bumble bee easily right? Soak everything in silicone spray to reduce friction (reel, bail, line, and sinker) Shoot with little or no wind if possible, or with the wind favoring the direction you are shooting. (Not a very easy task up at the Zuni Loop.) Make sure there is no one in your target region.. these are dangerous devices and can injure easily if care is not taken. After having a few wrist rocket elastics break and snap back in my face, I highly recommend either safety glasses/goggles or good quality anti-breakage glasses be worn while shooting, the eye you save will be your own. Once the line has been shot to the desired level in the tree, and the sinker retrieved, use good grade un-waxed poly/cotton cord for the intermediate line. Once the intermediate line has been routed through the tree, attach your final, heavy cable, rope or cord that will support the antenna and route through the tree. Personal opinion here.. Do not allow children to play with your new launcher. It is not a toy. Secure it as you would a weapon. Well, that's it. The guys up at Zuni Loop got a kick out of my space age, Rambo looking launcher in June. Just wait till they see what I have in store for them next June... a laser site for night shooting. hehehehe Boy, this QRP stuff really brings out the Rambo in me. Have fun and be safe. 72 Paul N6HCS /M /QRP /QRQ (Not for long.. anxiously awaiting new call) Paul F. Carreiro - N6HCS - E-Mail: carreiro@barepower.net QRP / Boatanchors / Mobile CW / QRQ +40WPM NorCal QRP #367 / QRP QRCI #8885 / CW FISTS #1407 / QRP-L #236 Zuni Loop Mountain Expeditionary Force (QRP Field Day) From owner-qrp-l@Lehigh.EDU Sat Nov 2 18:53:28 1996 Received: from fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU (fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU [128.180.1.4]) by oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.6/8.7.1) with ESMTP id SAA20577 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 18:53:26 -0500 (EST) X-Received-x: from fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU (fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU [128.180.1.4]) by oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.6/8.7.1) with ESMTP id SAA20577 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 18:53:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from Lehigh.EDU ([127.0.0.1]) by fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu with SMTP id <35550-19782>; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 18:50:55 -0500 Received: from nss2.CC.Lehigh.EDU ([128.180.1.26]) by fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu with ESMTP id <35475-37188>; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 18:50:18 -0500 Received: from mtigwc01.worldnet.att.net (ns.worldnet.att.net [204.127.129.1]) by nss2.CC.Lehigh.EDU (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id SAA120867 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 18:50:11 -0500 Received: from LOCALNAME ([207.116.42.230]) by mtigwc01.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA14581; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 23:49:39 +0000 Message-Id: <19961102234937.AAA14581@LOCALNAME> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 23:49:39 +0000 Reply-To: SSLYON@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Sender: owner-qrp-l@Lehigh.EDU Precedence: bulk From: "Seabury Lyon, AA1MY" To: "Low Power Amateur Radio Discussion" Subject: Re: TREE FISHING SCORE -2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-To: GREGOIRE@endor.com, qrp-l@Lehigh.EDU X-Sender: SSLYON@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO 100+ ft. is no problem. I use 3 oz. teardrops and the bottom of a surf rig loaded w/18 lb. test. The pole sits in a 5 gal. bucket (w/tools) pointing at the top of the tree. make sure the sinker is BALANCED in the pocket of the slingshot. Takes practice, but not much. NOTICE: DO NOT WIND THE MONO FILAMENT UP ON THE REEL UNDER TENSION! the result is a pre-stressed spring that wants to jump off the reel and/or foul when you open the bail to shoot. Saliva helps keep it there, too. No other potions are needed. Seabury "Seab" Lyon AA1MY 44 Codfish Hill Road Bethel, CT, 06801, USA From owner-qrp-l@Lehigh.EDU Sat Nov 2 20:28:46 1996 Received: from fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU (fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU [128.180.1.4]) by oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.6/8.7.1) with ESMTP id UAA22683 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 20:28:45 -0500 (EST) X-Received-x: from fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU (fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU [128.180.1.4]) by oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.6/8.7.1) with ESMTP id UAA22683 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 20:28:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from Lehigh.EDU ([127.0.0.1]) by fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu with SMTP id <35556-23623>; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 20:28:05 -0500 Received: from nss2.CC.Lehigh.EDU ([128.180.1.26]) by fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu with ESMTP id <35003-37188>; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 20:27:41 -0500 Received: from x13.boston.juno.com (x13.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.27]) by nss2.CC.Lehigh.EDU (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id UAA229216 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 20:27:36 -0500 Received: (from beacon_wb8ygg@juno.com) by x13.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id UAA01726; Sat, 02 Nov 1996 20:26:50 EST Message-Id: <19961101.213018.2695.0.Beacon_WB8YGG@juno.com> Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 21:30:17 est Reply-To: beacon_wb8ygg@juno.com Sender: owner-qrp-l@Lehigh.EDU Precedence: bulk From: beacon_wb8ygg@juno.com (Bradley S. Mitchell) To: "Low Power Amateur Radio Discussion" Subject: More tree fishing today References: <19961102.171335.4551.0.wa5whn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.00 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-22 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO First off, I forgot my password for WB8YGG@juno.com That's why I'm using this account! ========================================== Well, I had to put the 70 ft end back up in the tree today. I used the Fishing pole with the Open reel, (no silicone, but sounds great!) 10lb line, and the secret payload.. A teardrop shaped pulley. One cast and I was back in business. Stanley makes one for $2.49. This is after I lost padlocks, large nuts (the kind that connect to bolts), and even a pipe cutter.. (that's another story!). They are still hanging in my tree as reminders of how long that string really lasts in UV! 73 Brad WB8YGG