From owner-qrp-l@Lehigh.EDU Fri Jan 3 11:08:08 1997 Received: from fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU (fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU [128.180.1.4]) by oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.6/8.7.1) with ESMTP id LAA08241 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 11:08:07 -0500 (EST) X-Received-x: from fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU (fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU [128.180.1.4]) by oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.6/8.7.1) with ESMTP id LAA08241 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 11:08:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from Lehigh.EDU ([127.0.0.1]) by fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu with SMTP id <35069-46926>; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 11:07:30 -0500 Received: from nss2.CC.Lehigh.EDU ([128.180.1.26]) by fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu with ESMTP id <34873-46926>; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 11:06:03 -0500 Received: from emg3.echoman.com (mail.echoman.com [206.106.236.208]) by nss2.CC.Lehigh.EDU (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA185121 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 11:05:51 -0500 Received: from Georges.echoman.com ([206.106.236.228]) by emg3.echoman.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-29226U60) with SMTP id AAA294 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 11:13:57 -0500 Message-Id: <19970103161357372.AAA294@Georges.echoman.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 11:03:04 -0500 Reply-To: georges@echoman.com Sender: owner-qrp-l@Lehigh.EDU Precedence: bulk From: georges@echoman.com (George Spear) To: "Low Power Amateur Radio Discussion" Subject: Need help w QRP from hotel/motel X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO I travel a lot on business and often stay in hotels and motels. I have no idea how to get on 40M in the evening with a resonable antenna from a hotel situation. Does anyone have suggestions for lightweight portable antennas that can be used from a hotel without drawing too much attention from the hotel management? George A. Spear AA1PD QRP-L #918 188 Scribner Hill Road Otisfield, ME 04270 From owner-qrp-l@Lehigh.EDU Fri Jan 3 11:26:57 1997 Received: from fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU (fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU [128.180.1.4]) by oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.6/8.7.1) with ESMTP id LAA08909 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 11:26:56 -0500 (EST) X-Received-x: from fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU (fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU [128.180.1.4]) by oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.6/8.7.1) with ESMTP id LAA08909 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 11:26:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from Lehigh.EDU ([127.0.0.1]) by fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu with SMTP id <35144-33355>; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 11:26:07 -0500 Received: from nss2.CC.Lehigh.EDU ([128.180.1.26]) by fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu with ESMTP id <35058-33355>; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 11:25:21 -0500 Received: from mail.crl.com (mail.crl.com [165.113.1.22]) by nss2.CC.Lehigh.EDU (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA179120 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 11:25:11 -0500 Received: from crl10.crl.com by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA09135 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 3 Jan 1997 08:25:06 -0800 Received: by crl10.crl.com id AA08853 (5.65c/IDA-1.5); Fri, 3 Jan 1997 08:12:32 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 08:12:32 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: microres@crl.com Sender: owner-qrp-l@Lehigh.EDU Precedence: bulk From: Stanley Wilson To: "Low Power Amateur Radio Discussion" Subject: Re: Need help w QRP from hotel/motel In-Reply-To: <19970103161357372.AAA294@Georges.echoman.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: George Spear X-Cc: Low Power Amateur Radio Discussion X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO George pitch a 30 to 40 ft wire out of the window. Ask for the top floor. Be careful I stayed at one motel, checked in after dark, pitched a wire into some trees only to find next morning the electric company had a high voltage line running through the trees. Use another wire about 30 ft long for your ground. A lot of the pipes in the motels are plastic so a piece of wire works about as well as a bath room ground. Hv fun, you will be surprised at how easy it is to get something to load up. de stan ak0b From owner-qrp-l@Lehigh.EDU Fri Jan 3 20:07:29 1997 Received: from fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU (fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU [128.180.1.4]) by oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.6/8.7.1) with ESMTP id UAA25027 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 20:07:28 -0500 (EST) X-Received-x: from fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU (fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU [128.180.1.4]) by oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.6/8.7.1) with ESMTP id UAA25027 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 20:07:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from Lehigh.EDU ([127.0.0.1]) by fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu with SMTP id <34935-33355>; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 20:06:55 -0500 Received: from nss2.CC.Lehigh.EDU ([128.180.1.26]) by fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu with ESMTP id <34861-33355>; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 20:05:58 -0500 Received: from class.class.org (dmalinak@class.class.org [192.102.249.6]) by nss2.CC.Lehigh.EDU (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id UAA53329 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 20:05:48 -0500 Received: (from dmalinak@localhost) by class.class.org (5.2.6/8.6.6) id RAA11168; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 17:01:52 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 17:01:52 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: dmalinak@CLASS.ORG Sender: owner-qrp-l@Lehigh.EDU Precedence: bulk From: David Maliniak To: "Low Power Amateur Radio Discussion" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO George, AA1PD, asked about portable/hotel antennas. Someone clued him in to the St. Louis Vertical...could be a good choice. What I've used on my last couple of business trips, with moderate to good success, is the W3EDP long wire. This antenna is written up in "Practical Wire Antennas," by John Heys G3BDQ. It's a little red book published by RSGB and, IMHO, it's a pretty good little volume with lots of good info for relative no-nothings like myself. In any case, the W3EDP wire isn't a new idea. It's simply an 85-foot wire that on some bands requires a 17-foot counterpoise attached to the ground lead of your favorite ATU (no comment from me on efficiency, etc. and so on). In my experience, with my St. Louis tuner, the wire tunes without the counterpoise on 80, 30 and 20 meters and with it on 40 meters. You *will* need the tuner with this antenna, George, so be prepared to pack one. What I do is this, and someone else on the list already mentioned it: stay in hotels with towers and ask for the highest floor they can give you. My last trip was to Santa Clara, CA, and I stayed in a 10th floor room. I simply lashed this 85-ft wire to the balcony railing and left enough loose to bring inside to the tuner's long-wire input. With this setup feeding my Sierra, I managed to work stations all over Calfornia as well as Alaska, Washington State, Oregon, Utah, Colorado, Texas, and a couple more states I'm forgetting right now. All I know is it seems to work for me. Give it a try! By the way, I used real light wire. I think it's #28 AWG stranded. The wire just hung loose, waving in the breeze, and it worked. 72 David N2SMH/QRP Glen Rock, NJ From owner-qrp-l@Lehigh.EDU Sat Jan 4 21:07:50 1997 Received: from fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU (fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU [128.180.1.4]) by oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.6/8.7.1) with ESMTP id VAA10579 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 21:07:49 -0500 (EST) X-Received-x: from fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU (fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU [128.180.1.4]) by oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (8.7.6/8.7.1) with ESMTP id VAA10579 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 21:07:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from Lehigh.EDU ([127.0.0.1]) by fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu with SMTP id <35364-29711>; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 21:06:11 -0500 Received: from nss2.CC.Lehigh.EDU ([128.180.1.26]) by fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu with ESMTP id <35358-26638>; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 21:05:19 -0500 Received: from mx04.erols.com (mx04.erols.com [205.252.116.114]) by nss2.CC.Lehigh.EDU (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA38304 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 21:05:17 -0500 Received: from LOCALNAME (spg-as59s54.erols.com [207.172.108.54]) by mx04.erols.com (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA29817 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 21:05:17 -0500 Message-Id: <199701050205.VAA29817@mx04.erols.com> Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 21:05:17 -0500 Reply-To: w6toy@pop.erols.com Sender: owner-qrp-l@Lehigh.EDU Precedence: bulk From: bruce muscolino To: "Low Power Amateur Radio Discussion" Subject: Liability Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: w6toy@pop.erols.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO Guys, There have recently been a number of messages floating through this list asking about antenna ideas for operation from hotels and motels. I don't want to sound like a sourpuss, but please, before you set up to operate from a public place, keep the laws of liability in mind. One fellow said he has hung a wire from the balcony of his hotel room. While it is true that a #28 insulated wire is unlikely to break windows, it could come in contact with persons on other balconies and impart an rf burn. Granted, not much of a burn from 3 to 5 watts, but I doubt the person OR the judge will make that distinction. Also, on the issue of getting permission. It might be a good idea to ask the hotel/motel management whether you can operate from their premises. Sure, some of them will say no and you'll be stuck with just listening to your friends work all the neat stuff, but some will say yes and may reward you with a better antenna location. This is especially true if you are a repeat visitor or going to be there for a while. Yes, they'll want to know about interference with the other guest entertainment systems, but you're all smart enough to field those questions. Oh, in the event you do get in the TV or radios, stop operating at once. 73, -- Bruce -- W6TOY/3 Still QRP, Really! (c)